Be wary. Ton van Munsteren: 20/07/2020 22:03:20: 1294 forum posts 3303 photos: Woooo Danny thats a lot, I use some foam a stick and some tape. Danny Fenton: 21/07/2020 08:59:08: 9814 forum posts 4565 photos It was supposed to be a normal day of plane spotting but when I went down to the Beverly Flight Center for a quick visit, a CFI invited me to go flying with him. One thing that can help. It's really a snapshot of the styling of the time. Flying The Piper Apache On Floats With Erik Johnson. In fact, it wasn’t even a Piper; it had been designed by Stinson. Nov 18, 2014 - Explore Elizabeth Furman's board "Piper Apache" on Pinterest. Altitude was never a problem. This comment has been removed by the author. Piper PA-23 Apache Most pilots will want to fly the Piper Apache in order to earn a multi-engine rating, while others will simply enjoy gaining time and experience in a large, stable airplane. On track this year to spend less than 5K...what I'd consider normal wear and tear. )( .). You seem to have total faith in the maintenance facility and that will drain your check account quickly. A practical and honest examination of the pros and cons of flying and owning a twin-engine Piper. Click on my boobs if you are interested (. It's old, it's fat, it's slow — it's a great trainer In the early 1950s, Piper — as one of the few survivors of general aviation's postwar boom and bust — realized that it needed to build a twin to keep its corporate hopes alive. Our flight instructors called it the “Flying Sweet Potato,” but it worked. It was powered by twin 125-hp Lycoming engines. Member forum, Monthly newsletter, used parts, maintenance tips, How to I got my multi in a '61 Apache G 160, and later gave some dual instruction in it. ). We flew by the ariport at about 250kts! Forget what the powerplant was by that time. The United States Navy and military forces in other countries also used it in small numbers. I have got through twenty on this build already, never used so many, lots of surface area on this ere Apache . Might be the best I’ve seen from you. The PA-23 retained the steel-tube fuselage frame of the Twin Stinson, and had a fat, constant chord … The Aztec is far more forgiving in virtually all areas of operation.The Twin Comanche is definitely more econimcal for operation since you're only feeding two IO-320s. Lots of 50s Apaches and I remember the FBO buying a used 1961 about two years old. By Plane ... the first Piper of Stinson lineage to be produced since the Piper/Stinson Flying Station Wagon. Would you recommend a Twin Commanche over the Aztec for a used twin? This photo is copyright protected and may not be used in any way without proper permission. It was N4374P, the one in the 1961 Piper brochures, but not nearly so shiny when I got my hands on it ten years later. Either way the new owner gets stuck with horrendous and discouraging maintenance bills the first year or so.It does get better. Forums: Flying - How to steal a Piper Apache. Besides, he doesn't know that am doing this but due to the joy in me, I'm so happy and wish to let people know more about this great company whom truly give out loans, it is my prayer that GOD should bless them more as they put smiles on peoples faces. The Piper PA-23, named Apache and later Aztec, is a four-to-six-seat twin-engined light aircraft aimed at the general aviation market. PIPER “APACHE” 1954–66. Collection Item Long Description: In 1954 Piper Aircraft Corporation introduced the twin-engine, four-place Apache, developed from the Twin Stinson and the first of the Piper "Indian" executive and business lines that continue to this day. And older plans are easy to fix. Here we have video of flying the Mid America Flight Museum Piper Apache on Amphibs with Andrew Kiest (PF), Erik Johnston (PNF) … Ab 1954 ging die Maschine in Baltimore (USA) in Massenproduktion. Do you still own the Apache? To pilots who are used to only one fan in front, the twin seems cool and exotic. Hello- I noticed this post was from 2013. She is from 1955 and powered by two Lycoming O-320-A1A engines. Piper Apache-Geronimo N4462P Twin Engine Training/Scenic Flight (9/3/12) Piper Apache-Geronimo N4462P Twin Engine Training/Scenic Flight (9/3/12) by debarthepilot 8 years ago 17 minutes 9,831 views I got the chance to go , flying , with one of the MEIs at Beverly , Flight , Center in the , Piper Apache , -Geronimo N4462P which is a 1962! Cheers. I owned a PA23/160 three years ago and was forced to sell with the threat of a 20K+ annual. Suspect Piper had gone to 180HP by then. ...It’s interesting to compare the two planes. Piper installed larger engines, changed to a single vertical fin and covered the airframe in metal, and the Apache was born, hitting the market in 1954. You can contact them via email on {lfdsloans@lemeridianfds.com Or lfdsloans@outlook.com} or Text through Whatsapp +1-989 394 3740. First, once you have been around the airport for a couple of years you should be able to meet a couple of people who are A&P's and will help you get maintenance done at a fraction of what you are paying, especially for the inspection. Hey, i am looking for an online sexual partner ;) Click on my boobs if you are interested (. Got a 62 mooney in april for 28k, spent 20 on repairs for 2 cylinders, a generator, voltage regulator, 2 mags, and a partridge in a pear tree. Specifically, the PA-23-250 Aztec is a true six-seater which was derived from the PA-23 Apache but with larger engines and a bigger tailplane, an all-moving stabilator replacing the Apache’s conventional fixed surface/elevators. Is change the oil your seft. Piper actually bought out Stinson to obtain this design. If you need the useful load of an Aztec then it is the clear winner.I think the Twin Comanche is one of the best light twins in the GA fleet, but it isn't for multi-engine beginners. Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by Lowflynjack, Sep 25, 2020. Enjoy! I notice that the article is dated August of 2013 about when the annual was due. Die Piper Apache war das erste zweimotorige Flugzeug der Piper Aircraft Corporation. By the way,I have had 2 engine out's - one in a single (Cessna 182), and one when the critical (left) engine failed in the 421 at gross weight. Piper Aztec and Apache Performance, Handling. Of the Big Three, it was the only one that had yet to make a production twin. The Piper PA-23-160 Apache E was a 4-place, twin-engine, light airplane with retractable tricycle landing gear. I need a plane for short distances but at night...would you fly across Lake Michigan. Originally, it had small 125-hp engines, two side windows and twin tails, ala the D-18 “Twin Beech”. I don’t know anything about Apaches - are these from completely different years? Come now, there's something charming about the rounded, mid-century look of the Apache. Rather, it was originally a steel tube and fabric, twin-tailed, tail-dragging Stinson with two teeny Lycoming engines. The Apache had an interesting history. !Hello everyone, I'm Lea Paige Matteo from Zurich Switzerland and want to use this medium to express gratitude to lemeridian funding service for fulfilling his promise by granting me a loan, I was stuck in a financial situation and needed to refinance and pay my bills as well as start up a Business. I been flying for over 30 years. I tried seeking for loans from various loan firms both private and corporate organisations but never succeeded and most banks declined my credit request. We still have non-alcoholic 87 unleaded here in Oklahoma and that really lowers the operational costs.mitch1345P. But as God would have it, I was introduced by a friend named Lisa Rice to Le_meridian funding service and undergone the due process of obtaining a loan from the company, to my greatest surprise within 48hrs just like my friend Lisa, I was also granted a loan of $216,000.00 So my advise to everyone who desires a loan, "if you must contact any firm with reference to securing a loan online with low interest rate of 1.9% and better repayment plans/schedule, please contact Le_meridian funding service. We called it the "Apathy", and I loved it. I had a similar issue. I own a 1959 apache/geronimo...I can relate to this story...on my 3rd year of ownership and have spent over 66K out of pocket making everything right...but shes' a smooth running rocket that I know like the back of my hand now. Money was always a problem. I was sitting across from Chief Wendell Chino, chief of America’s Chiracahua Apache Indian tribe, in his Piper Cheyenne III at the Ruidoso, New Mexico airport when he commented that he was an avid pilot in addition to all his tribal qualifications. Flying The Piper Apache On Floats With Erik Johnson. Nothing beats the left seat of an airplane!! Piper Aircraft, which has been around since the late 1920’s and perhaps best known for the Piper J-3 Cub, started producing multi-engine aircraft in the 1950s starting with the PA-23 Apache. Tags: Apache, David Costa, flying a twin, multiengine flight instruction, multiengine flying, PA23, PA23-160, Piper Apache, renegade aviation, reno stead airport, twin engine flying I think the changes you see to tail are add-on parts because it’s on floats. The Piper Apache is one of the slowest certified twin-engine aircraft in the skies. Don't let your first year expenses discourage you. It was 27 feet, 2 inches (8.280 meters) long with a wingspan of 37 feet, 0 inches (11.278 meters) and overall height of 10 feet, 1 inch (3.073 meters). I live very close to UGN and use to own an Apache many years ago.Thanks for the Apache information. How Lemeridian funding service  grant me a loan!! It all depends on the mission. 12 The Piper Apache—used commonly for multi-engine training in the 1960s and early 1970s—is reported to have been notorious for its lack of single-engine performance with its 150-horsepower engines. Not too long after that, Piper took their popular PA-32 Cherokee Six, installed a 115 hp Lycoming O-235 on each wing … The big-engined Piper Apache is faster but is a glutton for avgas. The old owner didn't fly much and it deteriorated (as in yours and mine) or it had major problems and the old owner didn't want to pay for the repairs so they sold it. It was soooo fun! Nice video and I have fond memories of the Apache (aka as the Twin Stinson), albeit in 160HP variant. The Piper PA-30 Twin Comanche is an American twin-engined cabin monoplane designed and built by Piper Aircraft.It was a twin-engined development of the PA-24 Comanche single-engined aircraft. Mar 22, 2020 - Explore Nathan Willis's board "Piper Tripacer/colt/Apache" on Pinterest. However, I could never put a price on the fun factor. It's the cheapest, the easiest, the most obtainable, the ugliest, the most docile and, according to some, possibly the least useful. “I put permanent dents in all the airports and roads and open desert areas all over Arizona for many years,” reminisces Bill. When these three guys get together on a project, its going to be cool! If so, are you interested in share ownership? Danny. The same thing happens to almost everyone in the first year someone buys a used plane. Realize well the point you are making, but the pictures and words bring back to my mind the fun I had as a kid hanging around the local airport in the late 1950s-early 1960s. Our FBO also had a Turbo Aztec D. The Apache was underpowered but the handling was much lighter. Besides the obvious difference of floats, it looks like the have different wings, vertical stabilizers, cowls, and exhaust pipes. The Piper PA-23, named Apache and later Aztec, is a four-to-six-seat twin-engined light aircraft aimed at the general aviation market that also saw service with the United States Navy and other countries' military forces in small numbers.The Apache and its more powerful development the Aztec were manufactured from 1952-1981. The last model to roll off of the Piper line in 1981 was the six-seat PA-23-250 Aztec F … Few single-engine pilots have not looked longingly at a sexy twin from time to time. Piper followed this up by taking their PA-24 single-engine Comanche and making it a twin-engine variant, the PA-30 Twin Comanche. Push me up against the wall and do dirty things to me. The Piper Apache / Aztec was Piper Aircraft’s first twin-engine production aircraft and over 7,000 were produced over close to a thirty-year time span, with multiple variants over the years. I don't have a twin but have had a 1959 for quite a few years. ). See more ideas about Piper, Apache, Piper aircraft. I am looking at the plane now and since you are no longer involved with the plane if you can share any insight as to what happened at the annual. Das letzte Exemplar der Piper PA-23-235 Apache wurde im Jahre 1966 ausgeliefert, 2165 Apache wurden insgesamt hergestellt. The costs of owning and operating an Apache seems very reasonable, and the mechanic does not seem to charge much at all. In this video, you will see me flying with a CFI in my flight school’s 1962 Piper Apache at Beverly Municipal Airport.. Featured Plane Piper Apache The World’s First Modern Twin Trainer The airplane that taught many of today’s airline captains to fly. I have owned 3 airplanes over the last 35 years. Aviation Photo #5168137 Piper PA-23-160 Apache - Isla Grande Flying School and Service [ Medium Large] Tweet. Between ADs, wear and tear, and fuel the costs averaged $1.50 to $2.00 per mile flown. Jack: You must be the only person on earth that can make an Apache look great! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glory_(optical_phenomenon), (You must log in or sign up to reply here. At Owasso Airport, in a Piper Apache, with Kyle and his dad. I will take any 421 engine out anytime before doing it in a single again!!!! There are 2 things that are required to fly -- altitude and money. Owners of 150- and 160-HP Apaches report 135 to 145 knots on 16 GPH at 75 percent power. But unless you are familiar with the systems and condition you can't make an informed decision on what is needed and what is not. Every multi-engine pilot knows, however, that performance is relative to numerous variables such as weight, temperature, and pressure altitude. A variant with counter-rotating propellers was designated the Piper PA-39 Twin Comanche C/R. Piper Apache Piper Apache Overview The PA 23-150 Apache hit the market in 1954, evolved to 160-hp engines in 1957, then leaped to 235 hp per side as simply a lower-powered version of its offspring, the 250-hp Aztec, which had debuted in 1960. Wow, nice photos! It was believed to be the oldest flying Apache when Davenport flew it to Dulles Airport in 1990. When these three guys get together on a project, its gonna be cool! What the Piper PA-23 Apache is, in reality, is the lowest common denominator in the many-motored airplane zoo. Dedicated to preserving and flying the piper apache airplane. Keep it flying! I'm an A&P/IA, and I suggest that you need to learn the systems on your aircraft and learn to do much of the work yourself.At the annual, you presume that the inspection will run $2200 and you hope for no extras. What a beauty and how "modern" it looked with the 3rd window and 5th seat. See more ideas about Aviation, Piper aircraft, Piper. )( . Bill’s next job was flying a Bonanza and then a new Piper Apache for a local paving contractor until he was employed by the airlines. r/flying: This community is for discussion among pilots, students, instructors and aviation professionals. Parts some can be hard to find. At "high power cruise" I'll get about 130KIAS and guzzling about 16gph. The fat, high-lift airfoil has a lot to do with the PA-23’s docility and good low-speed performance, but it costs more than a few knots in speed. The Aztec, or ‘Aztruck’ as its affectionately known, is Piper’s most respected twin of all. One advantage is that you can burn auto-fuel in your piper Apache. 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